Late Fall Seeding Myths | Tomlinson Bomberger (2024)

We have been getting the question “When is my seeding going to be done?” a lot lately. It’s a valid question, particularly in light of the challenging year we’ve had for lawn care in Central Pennsylvania. Many clients have concerns that their seeding is being done too late in the season, and that the seed won’t come in or is too late in the season. Here, we’ll dispel some late Fall seeding myths.

It’s too late in the year to do seeding

Myth: After a certain date on the calendar, you’re too late in the season to do an effective seeding job on a lawn.

Fact: Seeding results have to do with a whole host of factors. The date on your calendar is not one of them.

Factors that DO effect seeding are things like soil temperature, moisture in the soil, nutrient availability, soil profile (how deep it is), the amount of available sunlight, and the amount of moisture given to the new seed (how you water it).

The assumption that many people make here is that because it’s “too late in the year,” that the soil temperatures will not be good for seed to come in. In fact, over the last few years, we’ve had great soil temperatures for germination well into November. We have no reason to suspect that this trend will not continue this year.

Late Fall Seeding Myths | Tomlinson Bomberger (1)You can’t seed once there’s been a frost

Myth: Once there’s been a frost, there is no chance that seed will germinate.

Fact: An early season frost may affect seed that has already germinated, but should not affect seed still in its casing. Also, a single frost doesn’t mean that soil temperatures will not continue to be favorable to germination later in the Fall.

The onset of early Fall frost does not mean your seeding hopes are dashed. This is especially true if you seeded within a couple of days of that frost, or if you haven’t seeded at all yet.

Here’s the science: seeds that are still in their casing are relatively unaffected by freezing temperatures. They can lay dormant for a long time, and just “wait it out” until conditions are favorable for germination. This is why you may have grass types pop up in your lawn that you don’t recognize. We frequently get questions about this – “Where did that grass come from?” as a client points to a clump of tall fescue or a large patch of rough bluegrass.

The answer is often that the seed has been in the soil for some time, waiting for good conditions to begin its germination and maturing process. Once conditions are right, the grass will grow. The same holds true to for the healthy seed you’re trying to introduce late in the season!

If your lawn was recently seeded, and the seeds have germinated but are still very immature, there’s a chance those seedlings will die with an early frost. In these cases, there’s often seed that hasn’t germinated yet laying alongside that new seed. When Spring arrives, you’ll likely get continued growth from seed sown the prior Fall.

If you seed too late in the Fall, your lawn won’t fill inLate Fall Seeding Myths | Tomlinson Bomberger (2)

Myth: Seeding late in Fall means your lawn will never fill in.

Fact: Dormant seeding often yields incredibly satisfactory results.

Late Fall seeding often generates an incredibly productive growing season the following year. That seed will lay dormant until conditions are right. Dormant seedingis a very viable option for re-establishing the desired turf density.

Some of our clients (including the owner of our company) get this done for their property. This is also how we maintain the turf density on many of the athletic fields we’re responsible for in school districts, colleges, and universities across the Mid-State.

If late Fall seeding works to maintain turf density on a lacrosse field (perhaps the most damaging sport to turf), it will certainly help you maintain a thick, beautiful lawn.

If you do a late Fall seeding, you can’t apply crabgrass control

Late Fall Seeding Myths | Tomlinson Bomberger (3)Myth: Because you seeded so late in the season, you are going to have to deal with crabgrass next Summer, or risk killing that seed.

Fact: There are other options for control products that do not interfere with your seeding.

This myth was, at one time, based in fact. For years, the only crabgrass control products (call “pre-emergent herbicides”) worked that way. They created a barrier in the soil, and any type of grassy plant that came into contact with it was controlled.

In recent years, lawn care technology has come a long way. Your lawn care professionals now have a few different options to selectively target grassy weeds. This means your late Fall seeding will still have a chance to germinate in the Spring, while still controlling the crabgrass. It’s the agronomic equivalent of “having your cake and eating it, too.” It’s the best of both worlds.

You should communicate with your lawn care professionals if you have done a late Fall seeding yourself. This will allow them to adjust your program to make sure you get those specialized products. If you contracted your service provider to do the seeding, check to make sure they’ve adjusted your lawn care program for Spring to compensate.

If your lawn doesn’t look filled in by Winter, your seeding didn’t work

Myth: A re-seeded lawn should look completely “thick” by Winter.

Fact: Cool-season grasses take a long time to mature.

Cool-season grasses are what we grow best here in Central Pennsylvania. There are four main varieties that grow well here: perennial ryegrass, Kentucky bluegrass, tall fescue and fine fescue. Most of them germinate in a moderate amount of time (10-14 days). Bluegrass can take up to three weeks to begin to germinate.

Once the germination process has begun, cool-season grasses have a maturation process they go through (like every other living thing). They often look like a single “hair” growing out of the ground for a number of months. These seedlings then go through a process called “tillering” where they “fill out” – you’ll have several blades of grass on a single plant.

Tillering often takes about six months for cool-season grasses, regardless of species. It’s going to be mid-to-late Spring before that tillering happens.

ConclusionLate Fall Seeding Myths | Tomlinson Bomberger (4)

For the many reasons listed above here, we recommend waiting until late April or early May in our area to evaluate whether or not a seeding has been effective. It may take that long to determine how much tillering has happened.

If you’re an existing client of ours, please contact us with any concerns you may have about your lawn. Also, please know that we will be making program adjustments (like using a different crabgrass control) to seeding we’re performing later in the season.

If you’d like to speak to one of our lawn care professionals about lawn care or seeding questions, please Contact Us.

Late Fall Seeding Myths | Tomlinson Bomberger (2024)

FAQs

Late Fall Seeding Myths | Tomlinson Bomberger? ›

Myth: Seeding late in Fall means your lawn will never fill in. Fact: Dormant seeding often yields incredibly satisfactory results. Late Fall seeding often generates an incredibly productive growing season the following year. That seed will lay dormant until conditions are right.

What happens if you plant grass seed too late in the fall? ›

In fact, seeds that do germinate late in the season often do not survive the winter because the very young, immature seedlings have a difficult time surviving those harsh conditions.

Is it too late to overseed my lawn in October? ›

When it's October, people often wonder if it is too late to plant new seed. The good news is if you hurry, seed can still be planted in October with the hope that it will survive the upcoming winter. Although September is the best time, often we can still plant grass seed up to October 15 with good results.

Is it too late to plant grass seed in November? ›

While planting grass seed in November is too late to make the fall growing season, there is a method called dormant seeding. Through dormant seeding, grass seed can be planted in November when the weather is cold enough to keep it dormant until the weather warms up in the spring.

Is it a good idea to seed in the fall? ›

Fall is the best time. The autumn season comes with a mix of warm soil and cool air, perfect for planting grass seed and allowing time for new grass roots to develop before winter sets in. It is also a good time to fertilize to build stronger, deeper roots for winter, resulting in a thicker, greener lawn next spring.

Can you over seed late fall? ›

Overseeding in October, or as Uncle calls it, “Oct-Overseeding,” when days are warm, nights are cool, and soil temperatures are above 55°, there is still an opportunity for cool-season grass to sprout.

How long does it take for grass seed to germinate in October? ›

It can take from two to four weeks for grasses to grow in October, especially if it is a warm-season grass. Cool-season grasses can still germinate and take root in the cooler temperatures of late fall, though you might not see their full potential until spring.

What is the best grass seed to plant in October? ›

Early fall is the best time to plant cool-season grasses, such as Fescue, Rye and Bluegrass. These grasses grow best when the temperature is between 60-80 degrees Fahrenheit, and benefit from the shorter days and cooler nights. There is also less competition from crabgrass and foxtails.

How often should I water my new grass seed in October? ›

Normally a lawn should be watered deeply but infrequently, but when you are watering for new grass seed, you must water every day. Set automatic timers for about 5 to 10 minutes, early in the morning, and again at mid-day. Watering done by hand or hose-end sprinklers must be consistent and evenly applied.

What temperature can you overseed in the fall? ›

The optimal temperature is in the high 60's at night for a few days. This is usually around the first week of October, but could be sooner depending on where you live. Once temperatures are in this range you have 5-6 weeks to complete the overseeding process.

What temperature kills grass seed? ›

If you're wondering how cold is too cold for grass seed germination use our rule of thumb and check the weather reports. If the daytime temperature is below 60°F then soil temperature is below 50°F, making it too cold; if there is frost or still a danger of frost, then it's too cold.

Can I just throw grass seed down on an existing lawn? ›

Overseeding is spreading grass seed over an existing lawn. Done right, it's a straightforward process that gets results. As grasses mature, thinning is normal—especially if you enjoy your lawn and use it often. Overseeding keeps your lawn competitive and steeped in youth and vigor, without starting over from scratch.

Can you over seed your lawn in November? ›

Dormant seeding is a collective term for overseeding lawns in late fall and winter when soil temperatures are too cold to allow grass seed to germinate. In the mid-west, the opportunity for dormant seeding is best from mid-November through early March, while soil temperatures remain below 50 degrees.

Is October too late to plant seeds? ›

Depending on the type of seed, it is definitely not too late to plant grass seed in October. Cool season grass seed varieties like Jonathan Green Black Beauty grass seed do well with planting in October. The most important thing is to lay the seeds down at least 45 days before the first threat of frost.

Should you cover grass seed with soil? ›

Finally, cover your grass seeds with a thin and lightweight layer of mulch or topsoil. This keeps the soil moist and prevents pests from digging through them. You can either rake the seed into place or use straw as mulch.

Can I reseed my lawn in September? ›

September is not only good for fertilizing it is also the ideal time to sow new grass seed. September conditions are perfect with warm soils, bright sunshine and cooler nights to establish a new lawn. Successful lawn seeding does require a little thought and a few guidelines to follow.

How cold is too cold to plant grass seed in the fall? ›

If you're wondering how cold is too cold for grass seed germination use our rule of thumb and check the weather reports. If the daytime temperature is below 60°F then soil temperature is below 50°F, making it too cold; if there is frost or still a danger of frost, then it's too cold.

Can you plant grass seed in September? ›

September is not only good for fertilizing it is also the ideal time to sow new grass seed. September conditions are perfect with warm soils, bright sunshine and cooler nights to establish a new lawn. Successful lawn seeding does require a little thought and a few guidelines to follow.

Is there a bad time to plant grass seed? ›

Late summer or early autumn is generally considered the best time to plant grass seed, while early spring is also suitable in some climates. It's important to understand the differences between cool-season and warm-season grasses when selecting what type of grass you want to grow.

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